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In this episode, Lisa talks about how we can heal and transform obstructive energy or emotional patterns using meditation, chakras and energy work.
Lisa is an energy worker specializing in women’s energetics, sexual trauma healing, chakra manifestation, and kundalini awakening. She is the author of Chakra Empowerment for Women and The Art and Science of Meditation. Lisa is certified in mindfulness meditation instruction and trauma sensitivity, and has trained in a variety of kundalini and energy healing modalities. She is a member of the International Association of Meditation Instructors, the Energy Medicine Practitioners Association, and, The Breathe Network.
Connect with Lisa:
- EnlightenedEnergetics.com
- Facebook (@chakraempowerment)
- Instagram (@chakraempowerment)
- Twitter (@mommymystic)
- Lisa’s Books: Chakra Empowerment for Women and The Art and Science of Meditation
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What we discussed during the show:
- 00:00 Intro
- 01:24 Lisa’s favorite quote: “You have more power than you can possibly imagine.”
- 04:08 What is meditation?
- 09:11 How to get started meditating as a beginner
- 11:09 What are Chakras?
- 11:37 What is energy work?
- 14:02 Men vs. Women in terms of their energy bodies
- 17:37 How to use meditation, chakras and energy work as tools to address addiction
- 19:53 Lisa’s take on finding long-term success in sobriety
- 23:26 Lisa’s lowest point in life
- 25:14 Happiest moment of life
- 25:52 What does ‘spirituality’ mean to Lisa
- 26:15 Who Lisa looks up to
- 26:45 What is ‘somatic technique’
- 28:21 What is Lisa trying to learn
- 29:05 What do people often get wrong about her
- 29:58 What is something Lisa wished she knew when she was younger
- 30:13 About Lisa’s two books
- 31:44 Rapid Fire round – 5 Questions
- What’s on his nightstand: Lots of books
- Favorite meal: Pasta
- No. of hours of sleep every night: 7 or 8
- Favorite TV show: Ted Lasso, Schitt’s Creek
- One thing she’s grateful for today: Grateful for a beautiful day, and, where she lives (by the ocean)
- 33:13 Lisa’s advice to anyone struggling with addiction
Other episodes you might find interesting:
- The Rpple Effects of Alcoholism
- Embracing Discomfort to Begin Healing in Sobriety
- Family, Relationships, Addiction & Law
Episode Transcript
Pranaya
Lisa, I am very grateful to have you as my guest today. Welcome to the show! Why don’t you get us started by sharing a quote that you find inspiring and what that means to you?
Lisa
“You have more power than you can possibly imagine.” That would be the quote that I think really encapsulates it all. And what it means to me is we have more resources, both external and internal, then we often draw upon. And once we become aware of those resources, anything is possible.
Pranaya
Tell us a little more about yourself so that we can get to know you. Where are you from, your background, your hobbies, whatever comes to mind.
Lisa
I grew up living all over the place because my father was in the United States Air Force. So we moved every one to two years. So I went to many schools, I was the new kid a lot. Then in my teenage years, my parents divorced, and we moved back to my mother’s hometown. So all of these events shaped me in both positive and negative ways ,or, in terms of both giving me certain resources. And also creating certain people-pleasing patterns around being the new kid and things like that, that I think, later led to my own journey.
In college, I encountered meditation and yoga. Later on in my 20s, it became more of a personal development and spiritual path. And then after that, it became more of an energy healing path. And I eventually shifted careers to help others work with both meditation and energy techniques for all different kinds of healing, but very particularly, sexual trauma. Healing is one of my specialties. So that’s kind of, you know, my journey in a nutshell, I would say off the top of my head.
Pranaya
Lisa, you are an expert when it comes to meditation. As meditation is getting more and more popular, the confusion around what meditation is, is growing as well. You’ve experienced firsthand the power of meditation, both as an everyday practitioner and as an instructor. Help us out, especially for some of us that are curious, but do not have a good understanding of meditation, what exactly is meditation?
Lisa
You know, there are so many different forms of meditation. And I think that is part of what contributes to the confusion. And in fact, they have different benefits. So to some extent, finding the right meditation for you is kind of knowing what you want from it at a certain point in your life. And that may change. As in my own case, I initially came to it to help me manage stress, later it became part of a spiritual journey, and also part of healing, especially emotional healing. So people come to it for different reasons.
I think the one thing that ties all forms of meditation together is that you are practicing self awareness. You are practicing pulling your mind back from its usual chatter and uncontrolled direction, because by default, our mind, emotions just react to whatever’s happening. And if we’re sitting still or sitting quietly, like we try to do in meditation, it’s just running after one thought, and then another thought and then another, and we just keep pulling our mind back. And we might be pulling our mind back to our breath, or to a Chakra and Energy Center in our body, or to a mantra, or to a visual, there are many different anchors for meditation. But where they all meet is that you’re pulling your mind back.What causes that to arise and pull your attention back, that’s the muscle of self awareness. That’s what you’re strengthening in meditation.
And I think that’s the most important thing for people to realize, because then they stop judging their meditation, like, Oh, I never got relaxed, I didn’t bliss out. So that must mean I’m a terrible meditator, or that meditation was a waste of time. And I would say, if you pulled your mind back once, during that meditation, even if the rest of the time it was wandering, that was one meditation pushup, and that’s better than zero meditation push ups. So every time you pull your mind back, you’re practicing. And what that does is it carries over into your daily life you’re training to when your mind becomes triggered by something, that you’re able to pull your mind back and go – Wait, stop, I have a choice here. And that’s the most important skill that you can develop.
Pranaya
This is an excellent point, Lisa. I’m fairly new to meditation, as well, and in the beginning, especially in the beginning, I used to consider my practice a failure, when I could not clear my mind completely, you know, I didn’t know what I was aiming for. But for some reason, if I did not think that I could really get my ideas, thoughts, everything out of my head, have that clarity, then it would not be a successful meditation practice, which obviously is not the case. So for someone new to meditation, what is an effective way to get started so that it becomes part of your daily routine and a sustainable practice?
Lisa xxx
Yeah, well, let me first speak to your sharing. Thank you for sharing that. And I think it’s really common. And that’s why I think it’s important. You know, people don’t think in terms of, Oh, I should be feeling relaxed every time I meditate, or I’m a failure, right? Because that’s some of the messaging out there. And some meditations are relaxing, some are not, but it’s never a failure, because you practice pulling your mind back. To that end, the most helpful things that we know from habit development research, and actually this doesn’t just apply to starting a meditation practice, it applies to developing almost any habit that you want to develop is that repetition at the same time and same place is very helpful – because your mind and body will start to become habituated. So if you can make a commitment for six to eight weeks to meditate every day, even if it’s just 5 or 10 minutes in the same place at the same time, meaning the same location in your house, when I say place, like you sit down on a certain pillow or certain chair at the exact same time every day, for six to eight weeks, your body will start to consider that automatic and you won’t have to think about it ever any more.
Now, not everyone can do that, right? So then extend your window, like if you want to develop a practice, that’s three times a week, really decide upfront. It’s going to be Monday, Wednesday, Saturday, at this time, and put it in your calendar. Again, even if it’s only five or 10 minutes, and the exact same place in your home. And in that place, put some things that are relaxing for you, like a picture of your favorite vacation spot, or a little vase of flowers or a candle. These are really the things that help trigger creating new neural pathways because that’s what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to create habits written into your neural pathway to the point where it just becomes automatic. So to do that repetition of place and time is everything.
Pranaya
On that note, Lisa, what do you think are the most common challenges to starting a meditation practice?
Lisa
Making that commitment to yourself and considering it a priority. I think most of us have difficulty making ourselves a priority in that way. It’s like the world is telling us Oh, you should do things like meditation. But really most of the messaging is no, you should be doing all these other things instead. You should be working, you should be watching TV, you should be out buying stuff, this is what all the marketing and ads are out there. So we have a hard time because meditation doesn’t feel productive. So we have a hard time really committing to that. So I think that messaging is the biggest challenge.
Having someone witness your intention, and setting aside a two to three month period where this is a goal can be really helpful, and then it’ll benefit for you for your whole life because you’ll establish that goal and keep going. I think the other big hindrance is one of the things we already kind of spoke about, which is the judgment around it, that, if it doesn’t feel relaxing, or like you’re really getting to a certain state right away, people give up and they say, Oh, meditation just isn’t for me. I must be a bad meditator. So they give it up. So letting go of that idea and reframing it as practice, pulling your mind back, which some days is going to be easier than others, depending on what’s going on in your life. I think that’s really key.
Pranaya
Lisa, a lot of your own work is Chakra focused. What are Chakras? And how can someone new to them work with them?
Lisa
So the Chakras are energy centers in our body. Chakra itself is a Sanskrit or ancient Indian word that means wheel or wheel of light. But really, traditions all over the world, have energy body mappings, even if they don’t use the word Chakra. And it’s really amazing how similar the energy body mappings are from all over the world. It’s really an energy anatomy that many cultures have discovered.
And there are multiple mappings. But the mapping that is the most well known at this point, really, in the West, primarily because of the popularity of yoga is a seven Chakra mapping with seven energy centers, spread along parallel to your spine, from your tailbone, all the way up to the crown of your head. And each of them maps to different body parts and our physical anatomy within energy medicine traditions, and then they also map to different psychological states, and spiritual energies as well.
So you can meditate on the Chakras, you can focus on them, visualize different colors, different sounds, different chants in each one. And it can help clear blocked energy related to different emotional wounds. It can also help you feel new energies that might not be familiar to you – like feeling safe in your body, feeling quiet in your mind, feeling confident, things like these.
Pranaya
Let’s talk a little bit about energy. What is energy work? For someone brand new to the idea of energy work, how would you describe it?
Lisa
There are a lot of different modalities of energy work. And the interesting thing is a lot of people don’t realize if they have received acupuncture, or if they have gone to a yoga class, they have participated in energy work. And acupuncture is based on a different energy map of the meridians in the body. Where the needles are placed are based on those energy meridian lines. So a lot of us have engaged in energy work without knowing about it.
But there are other forms that are more explicitly about focusing on your own Chakras, someone else helping to do that. So it could be guided work that you’re doing yourself, or it could be work that a healer is doing with you, that is really about focusing on these different energy lines and centers, helping to clear out emotions that may be stuck there and helping you to bring in a new centeredness.
Pranaya
Lisa, do men and women have different energy centers or energy bodies? If they do, how are they different?
Lisa
Yeah. Just like physical body or physical anatomy, it’s like 80% the same. But the 20% that’s different is really significant. And it impacts the whole rest of the body. So, for example, the fact that women have ovaries and men have prostates and the different hormonal balances that each of those things represent actually impacts things like our heart health, and our brain function differently. So even though the anatomy is only 20% different, it cascades through the rest of our body.
It’s kind of the same with energy body teachings. There’s a difference in emphasis because the energy body is like an interface between the physical body and the psyche or the spirit. So at the part of the energy body that intersects with the physical body, there are differences and they really have to do with the same parts of our energy body, as in our physical body. So these lower Chakras, the first Chakra at the root tailbone, the second Chakra for a woman is right in her womb center. And it is particularly important, and it functions differently than a man’s.
And then the third Chakra, for a man, I usually work with it up in the solar plexus, but for women at the Naval. So there are different variations on this. What it really comes down to is women’s energy bodies tend to be more absorbent, and we tend to need a little bit more help with boundaries. Men tend to be more anchored in the root Chakra, so they’re more grounded, but then they have more issues with rigidity. So that is a real generalization. But energetically, in general, women often need help with grounding and boundaries, and men often need more help with letting go of rigidity and bringing in fluidity.
Pranaya
That is something new I learned today. Thank you. Lisa, we talked about three ideas or modalities or practices here: meditation, Chakras and energy work. What is the difference between them? Are they all related? Are we just talking about the different modalities of the same idea?
Lisa
They are all related, they are all mind-body techniques. But there are forms of meditation that don’t involve your energy body, meaning you’re not focusing on your energy body. There are meditation forms where you’re simply focusing on your breath, the rise and fall of your body. I would say everything that involves our mind also involves our energy body. That’s the whole point of holistic health.
So even when you’re doing those forms of meditation, you are settling your energy body down. In other practices of healing and energy, you are explicitly focusing on your energy body, and you’re more consciously working with those energies. So they are all related. But there are these differences and which is best for someone I think, is really individual preference, what they resonate with.
Pranaya
So I want to bring us back to the goal of my podcast, which is to reach out to anyone struggling with addiction and help in any way I can. How can someone use the ideas we just talked about: meditation Chakras, or energy work as tools to address their addiction or substance abuse?
Lisa
There’s a lot of research that meditation is very helpful because of exactly what we spoke of, at the very beginning, this practice of pulling your mind back. Depending on what has drawn someone into addiction, there is usually a pattern of disassociation or escapism, meaning, there are some things that it feels too painful to feel in the world. And so someone wants to turn to or at some point discovers that a substance helps them feel differently, right? So whether that’s anxiety, whether it’s depression, whether it’s a trauma trigger, because as we know, addiction is a common response to trauma.
So whatever it is, there’s a discomfort or a belief, I can’t just stay present with what I’m feeling, I need to take something to help me with this. The idea behind meditation is you learn to become more comfortable with the discomfort, you actually learn to pull your mind back from that impulse and sit with what you’re feeling. And learn, Oh, I do have the resilience to sit with this. I have support structures, I have other options and resources for handling this discomfort. So that is where meditation comes in.
Energy healing and energy work then help you deal with the underlying wounds that may be contributing to substance abuse, in terms of, if there is unresolved trauma and anxiety, things of that nature. Energy healing and energy work, along with counseling and other modalities can be an important part of really working those through.
Pranaya
How and where does one get started with such a journey?
Lisa
It’s really about finding a support structure that helps you and individuals that help you. So many rehabilitation centers and programs do include meditation.At this point, a growing number of addiction specialists and counselors and therapists will do referrals out to energy workers or meditation teachers to augment the counseling work.
If someone is seeking to find this on their own, there are a lot of people that work online, in addition to in person. So there is availability, you don’t have to necessarily live in an area where you can find a meditation teacher or an energy healer. You can search online, certainly referrals are always best. But you can get a lot also from someone’s website, get a sense of how they work, do an exploratory call with them, see if they have any experience with addiction. Ideally, someone who has experience with addiction.
There are also ways to try it out just through free meditations and books and recordings. There’s a lot out on YouTube now. So there are ways to experiment first on your own, and then reach out for other resources.
Pranaya
Lissa, you’ve worked with trauma clients. For a lot of them, addiction was a huge struggle. What do you think is the key to finding long term success in sobriety?
Lisa
Resources and support. I think support is number one. So it’s feeling like you have support, you have a support network, you have people, maybe it’s a sponsor, depending on the program, you have a mentor, a counselor, a healer, and also certain family and friends. Not everyone has that. The second piece is really coming to know that you can turn to those people and releasing shame so that you do turn to them when you’re struggling.
I think the other piece then is tools. It may be meditation, it may be breathing techniques, it may be various mindfulness or energy techniques that you know – okay, when I’m feeling triggered, I can do this, I will, I will use this tool, I will focus on my root Chakra and take three deep breaths, and try to hear three sounds around me to settle myself down, then I will call someone from my support list. So it’s really this combination of support and tools and building up a lot of both, and then turning to them.
Pranaya
When it comes to staying sober, the success rate is really low. Very few get it right the first time. For many others, it takes relapse, after relapse, after relapse to finally figure things out. If you had to pick three, Lisa, what do you think are the top three reasons why people fail at staying sober?
Lisa
Well, I think getting back to the two reasons, it can be not having enough support, not having enough tools, right? So really getting enough tools and resources. But then I think the other big thing is cultural, and societal in terms of our attitude towards addiction, people feeling they can’t reach out, feeling shame. It hasn’t gotten built into our culture yet, that – hey, this could take a few tries. And we’re gonna get right eventually.
So as soon as you start to slip, reach out, don’t hide it, because we understand that it could take a few times. I think that’s the big piece that’s missing a lot of the time.
Pranaya
So that brings us to the second part of the show. I would like to ask you a few personal questions to get to know you a little bit better. Is that Okay?
Lisa
Yeah.
Pranaya
What would you consider the rock bottom or the lowest point of your life?
Lisa
Probably postpartum with my first child, which was over 16 years ago. It did, however, lead to me changing careers into doing the work I’m doing now. So in the long term, the dark period became this turning point in my life. And that often happens for people.
So it’s something I often tell people when they’re in a very dark phase, but I had major health issues. I had, without going into all the details because it gets too complicated and long, but I had some real health issues. And then I went into the hospital for them and got an infection. I’d never been sick like that. I was in and out of the hospital three times. Meanwhile, I had this new baby that was suffering from separation and not being able to be breastfed. And I felt horribly guilty about that.
I was experiencing a postpartum hormonal crash. I had also left my technology career expecting to go back into it after maternity leave. And then because of these health issues, I had to completely give that up.
I had already been studying energy medicine and meditation for a long time. And so I also felt somehow ashamed, like I should have been able to prevent all this. But ultimately, it led me to research women’s energetics in particular. And that led me to shift my career and go into this full time. Maybe I would never have done that if that hadn’t happened. So I’m very grateful for it now, even though at the time it was a very dark time.
Pranaya
Now, I want you to think of a moment in the past that you’d consider one of the happiest moments of your life, or snapshot, if you will. What comes to mind?
Lisa
Oh, gosh, a lot of things, I think mostly, you know, family vacations with my kids. I now have three kids. I went on to have twins after my first child, and our family vacations. I love what we’ve built as a unit. I love that feeling of love and support. Also, some of my spiritual retreats, my spirituality is central to my life, I do engage in regular solitary spiritual retreats.
Pranaya
What does the word ‘spirituality’ mean to you?
Lisa
It means connecting with your sense of your highest self, your best self, to me, and I think that’s universal across all of the different traditions. For me, it means connecting to this source of energy, which, you can call whatever you want, but it’s something available to all of us. And when you connect with it, you have a feeling of grace, and flow, and a feeling of resilience, that you can withstand whatever comes your way.
Pranaya
Who is someone you look up to? And why?
Lisa
Well, many people, but one of them would be my current spiritual teachers, Lama Tsultrim Allione, who is a Tibetan Buddhist teacher in her seventies. She’s really lived such a full life, she continues to share her wisdom and her light, and I really respect her. She’s a mother and grandmother, in addition to founding a spiritual center, and many other things. So I respect her both personally and in terms of her spiritual teaching.
Pranaya
I know you’re certified in the somatic technique ‘Feeding Your Demons’ through Lama Tsutrim Allione. Tell us what somatic technique is and what ‘feeding your demons’ means.
Lisa
So, somatic technique means any modality where you’re focused on the feelings in your body, and this is very helpful for trauma survivors. Also, for anyone working with addiction, can you really when we say I feel anxious, or I feel depressed? Or was I triggered in that situation? Can you focus on exactly where you feel anxiety in your body, what happens in your body, and we use that as a starting point for beginning to heal, release things and rewrite the habit, rewrite the pattern.
So I will use several different somatic techniques. But ‘feeding your demons’ is one where you start there – in your body with some emotion or trigger. You’ve focused on where you feel it and then you externalize it visually, you imagine it actually as an imaginary being outside of you. And instead of fighting it, which is what we tend to do, Oh, I wish this anxiety would go away, I wish this would go away, We feed it with compassion through a guided process that helps you really meet this part of yourself with compassion. So that is the feeding your demons process, and there is a book out about it. And so I do use that in my sessions along with Chakra work when I’m working with people.
Pranaya
What is one thing that you’re trying to learn or grow and develop into right now?
Lisa
I’m still developing my writing a lot. I think at this point in my life in my 50s I’m also still developing my voice. I really want it to be a benefit to the world. I think our world, you know, is struggling, obviously, I don’t think that’s news to any of us right now.
I have three teenagers. I want them to grow up into a vibrant, healthy world in which everyone can experience happiness and abundance and all of these things. So I’m just trying to figure out exactly how I can be of the most benefit on all fronts.
Pranaya
What is something people often get wrong about you?
Lisa
Well, I think when people read Oh, I’m a meditation teacher, a healer, they expect me to be really calm all the time. I’m actually pretty high energy. I don’t know if that comes through when I’m speaking or not, but you know, I’m actually kind of high energy, probably borderline hyper. Certainly when I was younger I was and so this is why I was a high anxiety person. And I still have to work with that.
But I also don’t try to be something I’m not. I don’t believe that meditating or becoming an energy healer means I’m supposed to try to change into this very-calm-all-the-time person. There’s a place for high energy, it’s who and what I am. And so I just try to experience life from that place.
Pranaya
What is something you wish you knew when you were 20?
Lisa
I wish I had these tools that I have now, for handling difficult emotions like anxiety or depression. I wish everyone grew up knowing these tools.
Pranaya
Lisa, you’ve written these two wonderful books, Chakra Empowerment for Women and The Art and Science of Meditation. Tell us a little bit about those.
Lisa
Chakra Empowerment for Women introduces 12 techniques that anyone, any woman, who even if you’re not familiar with the Chakras can utilize to begin to tap into the power of them. So it begins, for example, with the root Chakra and focuses on how to feel safe in your body. And it progresses through all of the seven main Chakras and then several other tools that combine Chakra. I talk a lot about women’s conditioning and sexual trauma, healing, and experiences that women often have challenges with the mother child energy line, for example. So a lot of different things that are very specific to women that energy Chakra work can help with.
The Art and Science of Meditation is really a resource book for anyone who has dabbled in meditation, and wants to go deeper, but doesn’t want to read 12 books. So each chapter sort of focuses on one aspect of how to go deeper in meditation and it draws on both science and other spiritual traditions. So you can kind of pick and choose what resonates for you.
Pranaya
We have now reached the last segment of our show, which I call the rapid-fire round. I would like you to answer these questions in one sentence or less. Are you ready?
Lisa
Yes, I’m ready.
Pranaya
What is on your nightstand right now?
Lisa
Books, always too many books.
Pranaya
What is your favorite meal?
Lisa
Pasta.
Pranaya
What is your favorite book or a tool or a resource or an app?
Lisa
Ah, well, books, it tends to be whatever book I’m currently reading.
Pranaya
What are you reading now?
Lisa
I’m reading a fiction novel, which I can’t remember the name of. But it’s very interesting because it’s a bunch of women that kind of get caught up in this mother wellness group. And it’s really taking down the wellness industry and how it targets based on fear. So it’s very interesting in that way.
Pranaya
How many hours of sleep do you get every night?
Lisa
Seven or eight.
Pranaya
A TV show you binge and thoroughly enjoyed?
Lisa
Oh gosh, Ted Lasso and Schitt’s Creek. I think those are two of the shows that I liked the most, most recently.
Pranaya
One thing you are truly grateful for today.
Lisa
It’s a beautiful sunny day. I’m really grateful for where I live. I live by the ocean and it’s really lovely.
Pranaya
As I mentioned before, my mission with this podcast is to reach out to and help anyone who’s struggling with substance abuse or addiction. What advice would you give to someone who is currently struggling, who is listening to us right now, wants to quit alcohol or any other substance but is lost and confused?
Lisa
Don’t wait. Right now, this second, call someone and say that you want help. Reach out to someone and say you want help. And there is help and you will get support and you can do this.
Pranaya
Where can people find you, learn more about you and connect with you?
Lisa
My website is EnlightenedEnergetics.com or the website for my books which also has some free meditations tied to the book on it. The first book is ChakraEmpowermentforWomen.com and Chakra is spelled “C-h-a-k-r-a” for anyone who’s not familiar with that. I’m on Facebook and Instagram as @ChakraEmpowerment. And I’m on Twitter as @mommymystic.
Pranaya
Are the books available through yur websites? Are they available on outlets such as Amazon?
Lisa
Yeah, they’re available on Amazon and everywhere because they were published through a publisher – so they’re on Barnes and Noble. They’re also on an independent publisher site called indiebound.org. You can also find bookstores that have it near you. If you want to support your local independent bookstore, go to indiebound.org, and if you type in your zip code, it will tell you the nearest bookstore that can order it for you.
Pranaya
Thank you. If you go to SoberSideChat.com and type Lisa in the search box, it will bring up the show notes for this episode. And you will find links to everything Lisa mentioned there.
That brings us to the end of the show. Lisa, I would like to acknowledge you for showing people how to use energy work and meditation to maximize their health and their personal growth. And, most importantly, I would like to acknowledge you for the countless hours of work you have contributed towards helping people heal from trauma. I’m truly grateful for your time today and thank you.
Lisa
Thank you and thank you for doing a podcast like this. You’re also performing such an important service for others. So thank you for that.
Pranaya
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